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quinoa marisa's avatar

helpful framing and agree but instead of a binary categorization, stumbler : optimizer, i find it helpful to ask: “what is the manifold ___ is optimizing over?”

maybe naive but i think there is more that separates e.g. obama vs trump vs tim cook than different initial conditions

also, i am an anthropic shill, but i think it is worth pointing out they intentionally tried to set up the corporate governance with structural constraints so the hinge is not just Dario’s personality.

this did not work with OAI but I sincerely believe Anthropic (the company) has a better shot at staying aligned

wanderingimpromptu's avatar

Seems like it should be possible to be an optimizer who is optimizing for something complex and/or morally good, though? In which case “sacrificing [resources, power] for principles” doesn’t always conflict with optimization… Like maybe some kind of instrumental convergence is happening for human optimizers where they all need to max out resource/power gathering in the early/mid term but they should be cashing out more and more in favor of whatever they’re actually optimizing towards as time goes on. Unless you’re saying that the optimizers who are optimizing towards simple power acquisition for its own sake are the only ones that end up with significant power bc the others cash out “too early”…?

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